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Comments on: Why This Okie Doesn’t Support the OKC Thunder http://djeffries.com/why-this-okie-doesnt-support-the-okc-thunder/ Photography, Urban Design, Tulsa History Fri, 12 May 2017 20:39:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.2 By: Jeff http://djeffries.com/why-this-okie-doesnt-support-the-okc-thunder/#comment-43 Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:03:38 +0000 http://djeffries.com/?p=481#comment-43 WOW.

You are so bitter it is not even funny. Their is so much to point out that is wrong in your post, I will focus on just a few nuggets.

First. Tulsa was never the main factor in the NBA selecting OKC. Yes, Tulsa was brought in to demonstrate that another major metro area was with in 90 miles. However, the fact that OKC had an arena, local ownership, fantastic leadership, the willingness to self fund arena improvements, and demonstrated the ability to host major events and support the Hornets. Also, Bennett was a part of the Spurs franchise for many years and David Stern has a tremendous amount of respect for him.

Second, Seattle residents have no one to blame but themselves. George “Starbucks” Schultz couldn’t save the team and get an arena deal done either. That is why he sold the team to Bennett. A arena deal was never approved by Seattle. Microsoft stepped up on a contingency basis only if the city funded a portion of the deal. THAT NEVER HAPPENED! That is why Bennett will not receive his penalty payment back for getting out of the key arena lease back.

Team relocation is never pretty and I feel bad for the Sonic faithful, however their city and previous ownership sealed their fate.

Tax credit – so are you pissed American Airlines has had money tossed it’s way? How about the film industry? How about Mr. Kaiser and the many loop holes he takes advantage of? Tax credits have been used all across the state to attract business. I can say that the net benefit from the Thunder (as far as increase sales tax, corporate tax, and personal income tax) will be far greater than the 60 million given.

Tulsa and OKC are both Tier 3 cities with OKC on the cusp of being a Tier 2 convention city. Once the new 250 million dollar convention center is complete and with the addition of a tower 750 room convention center hotel OKC will be a tier 2 by 2020.

I am happy that many in Tulsa have jumped on the bandwagon. However, the idea that would could paint such a picture of how these events occurred demonstrates that you live under a giant rock of bitterness.

The city of OKC, it’s citizen’s and leadership deserve major kudos. This team has changed the perception of the entire State. You can not underestimate the global reach of this team. The constant skyline shots of OKC and shots around town are priceless.

I am proud of this team and how they got here.

By: ABD http://djeffries.com/why-this-okie-doesnt-support-the-okc-thunder/#comment-40 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:41:42 +0000 http://djeffries.com/?p=481#comment-40 Love your blog and photos, but going to have to strongly disagree with this post.

I’m not sure where you are getting this idea that citizens and leaders of OKC are so sinister. Remember OKC ponied up the money for the Hornets and again through a tax for the then-Ford Center renovation. Seattleites probably have reason to be upset that their hometown team got bought up. Then again, attendance was sagging for years and the previous owner was too busy running Starbucks to pay attention to its team.

As for the state tax credits, yes the Thunder organization qualified for them. I actually agree with you that tax credits to big profitable entities should stop when the government can barely keep our schools open. But unfortunately that’s the way it is. I’m pretty sure the Tulsa Shock qualified for and got the same credits, but you don’t see people packing bars to cheer them on. And while we are on it, should taxpayers in OKC be pissed that Tulsa based American Airlines, which has received millions in credits, is going bankrupt and will probably cost the state thousands in jobs when its all said and done?

Not everyone likes basketball, but it is unfortunate that you are so against the Thunder. You of all people should realize in this state, where so many people have defined themselves by what camp they choose (OU vs. OSU, OKC vs. Tusla, Dem vs GOP, Urban vs. Rural, etc.) that something has emerged that has united people all across the state. Yeah most probably are bandwagoners, but its awesome nonetheless. Who cares that its in OKC or called “OKC…”? That’s just the way the chips fell. Would you have wrote this blog entry if the Thunder were playing in Tulsa?

You are certainly free to your opinion, but judging by the most recent ratings Thunder fever is alive and well in the 918. There’s still room for your on the bandwagon.

A proud Tulsan living in OKC

By: Really? http://djeffries.com/why-this-okie-doesnt-support-the-okc-thunder/#comment-39 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:31:04 +0000 http://djeffries.com/?p=481#comment-39 dont own a truck drive a 20 year old honda

By: Really? http://djeffries.com/why-this-okie-doesnt-support-the-okc-thunder/#comment-38 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:30:33 +0000 http://djeffries.com/?p=481#comment-38 i run a downtown ministry trying to help the homeless of Tulsa.

By: danielj http://djeffries.com/why-this-okie-doesnt-support-the-okc-thunder/#comment-37 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:05:29 +0000 http://djeffries.com/?p=481#comment-37 That pride is misplaced. If you really had pride in your state, it would exist with or without the Thunder. If the pride is built solely on the Thunder’s success, that’s sad. Everyone should at least know how the team was acquired and at what cost.

By: danielj http://djeffries.com/why-this-okie-doesnt-support-the-okc-thunder/#comment-36 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:01:55 +0000 http://djeffries.com/?p=481#comment-36 @Really, you couldn’t be more wrong. I’ve been volunteering and doing things to improve my community since I was 12 years old. What have you been doing lately? Attending Thunder games and revving your truck? Please.

By: Really? http://djeffries.com/why-this-okie-doesnt-support-the-okc-thunder/#comment-35 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 00:18:35 +0000 http://djeffries.com/?p=481#comment-35 instead of complaining about how someone else is ruining your state, why dont you get off your ass and do something about it. I dont care if you like the Thunder or not. but i bet you are one of those people who sit around complaining about “how bad it is” but never get up to do anything about it.

Thunder Up

By: HLM http://djeffries.com/why-this-okie-doesnt-support-the-okc-thunder/#comment-34 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:22:42 +0000 http://djeffries.com/?p=481#comment-34 You’re telling me that the business side of professional sports is a dirty, unfair, greed-driven, morally bankrupt affair? I had no idea.

The Thunder is not special. Your complaints sound naive and provincial. Sorry, dude.

Good read, though.

By: Justan http://djeffries.com/why-this-okie-doesnt-support-the-okc-thunder/#comment-33 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:42:07 +0000 http://djeffries.com/?p=481#comment-33 The state of Oklahoma was already messed up and will continue to be so. Whether or not the Thunder came to the state, despite your many points, is irrelevant. Greedy corporations exist. Government is corrupt. You’re living in the United Fascist States of America. It’s never going to get fixed – that’s how fascism works – it’s functioning exactly how it’s supposed to. So your rant, while well-intentioned, will not change politicians from being solicited by the oligarchy of the corporatocracy. Fascism is, what fascism does. At least seeing the Thunder succeed gives me a sense of pride for my state. Go Thunder!